Perry Noble / New Spring Debrief

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[Mark Wilburn]

Chris, Just listened to your Perry Noble/New Spring Debrief. Very disturbing to hear the applause from the audience (of pastors?). Also, Perry's extremely defensive response to "jackass" concerns is truly disturbing.I do pray for Perry, and especially pray that his congregation become "Bereans." Otherwise, they are in grave danger of the spiritual-poison Kool-Aid they are drinking.

[Scott]

The dynamic of emotion is what I think is important here, not necessarily the actual content. This is an angry man, who is helping other angry people focus their rage and congratulate themselves that they are not like those others.

This is the same group emotional reinforcement that takes place in many cults.

Can you honestly tell me that this is a group of people united in common respect for each other becuase they have died, given up the division and anger of a self based existence against God and the world, and are now one, complete in the body, of Christ?

It is not enough to say we love the idea of Grace and hate everyone who might criticise our self righteousness or self justification, or even, our self deification. There is rebellion in this anger, there is an insistance on defining our relationship with God in our terms, and making Him in our image.

Grace is an opportunity to go through a door, leaving all that we were behind, to abide in Chirst, to be clothed with Him, to base all that we are and do on the foundation of His completed work, and in recieving the grace of God to be free from our old husband (who had to die, by the way).

We now love becuase He first loved us. That is how they know we are His disciples.

We recognize the completeness of our sin, that by our very nature we were children of wrath and were, as Edwards once preached to great effect, without a single hope of avoiding the wrath of God, that all have sinned.

Our outward character will reflect the true state of our inner rest in Him. Do they know Him? Will they point to their works on that day, how they were not like all those other phonies and hypocrates?

We are not to define ourselves, even if it is by negative association.

What will last is not good works, but works done in Him and as a response to our truely receiving and believing in our hearts the revelation of the glory of God in the gift of His Son, Jesus.